5810Singer wrote:EDIT: Correction, I can find one mention of it:
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/ ... C12110.htm
It doesn't match up with that press release though.

It matches perfectly, and if you find any talking points or anything of that matter in regards to this let me know

Aught3 wrote:By F. William Engdahl, author of Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order.

So, do you know why he authored such a book or are you going to assume, because of it's alternative view, it's entirely wrong and should be used as a point against everything he ever writes?

Niocan wrote:So, do you know why he authored such a book or are you going to assume, because of it's alternative view, it's entirely wrong and should be used as a point against everything he ever writes?

I don't care, it was the first site in a google search for your unattributed quote and I copied the bio info that the site provided for the article author.

Aught3 wrote:I don't care, it was the first site in a google search for your unattributed quote and I copied the bio info that the site provided for the article author.

The quote is just the article I linked to in my first post, pasted here to show that it's more political then conspiratorial (I hope that's a word).

Using politics to push some conspiracy theory doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy theory.

The Council of Europe member states will launch an inquiry in January 2010 on the influence of the pharmaceutical companies on the global swine flu campaign, focusing especially on extent of the pharma‘s industry’s influence on WHO. The Health Committee of the EU Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution calling for the inquiry.

The above doesn't match with this:

Doc. 12110

18 December 2009

Faked Pandemics - a threat for health

Motion for a recommendation

presented by Mr Wodarg and others

This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it


In order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies have influenced scientists and official agencies, responsible for public health standards, to alarm governments worldwide. They have made them squander tight health care resources for inefficient vaccine strategies and needlessly exposed millions of healthy people to the risk of unknown side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines.

The "birds-flu“-campaign (2005/06) combined with the "swine-flu“-campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health budgets, but also to the credibility and accountability of important international health agencies. The definition of an alarming pandemic must not be under the influence of drug-sellers.

The member states of the Council of Europe should ask for immediate investigations on the consequences at national as well as European level.

Signed 1:

WODARG Wolfgang, Germany, SOC
ABURTO BASELGA Fátima, Spain, SOC
AYVA Lokman, Turkey, EPP/CD
CONDE BAJÉN Agustín, Spain, EPP/CD
CZINEGE Imre, Hungary, SOC
FLYNN Paul, United Kingdom, SOC
GROZDANOVA Dzhema, Bulgaria, EPP/CD
HANCOCK Michael, United Kingdom, ALDE
HUSS Jean, Luxembourg, SOC
MARQUET Bernard, Monaco, ALDE
McCAFFERTY Christine, United Kingdom, SOC
OHLSSON Carina, Sweden, SOC
ÜNAL Mustafa, Turkey, EPP/CD
VOLONTE' Luca, Italy, EPP/CD

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1 EPP/CD: Group of the European People’s Party
SOC: Socialist Group
ALDE: Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
EDG: European Democratic Group
UEL: Group of the Unified European Left
NR: not registered in a group

The salient part of the above piece is this: "This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it," which directly contradicts the press release that you posted.

Also I can find no mention of this: "The Health Committee of the EU Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution calling for the inquiry," on the EU Parliament website.

Gnomesmusher wrote:Using politics to push some conspiracy theory doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy theory.

Plausible deniability is bliss, isn't it?

BUMP!

The Council of Europe member states will launch an inquiry in January 2010 on the influence of the pharmaceutical companies on the global swine flu campaign, focusing especially on extent of the pharma‘s industry’s influence on WHO. The Health Committee of the EU Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution calling for the inquiry.

The above doesn't match with this:

Doc. 12110

18 December 2009

Faked Pandemics - a threat for health

Motion for a recommendation

presented by Mr Wodarg and others

This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it


In order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies have influenced scientists and official agencies, responsible for public health standards, to alarm governments worldwide. They have made them squander tight health care resources for inefficient vaccine strategies and needlessly exposed millions of healthy people to the risk of unknown side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines.

The "birds-flu“-campaign (2005/06) combined with the "swine-flu“-campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health budgets, but also to the credibility and accountability of important international health agencies. The definition of an alarming pandemic must not be under the influence of drug-sellers.

The member states of the Council of Europe should ask for immediate investigations on the consequences at national as well as European level.

Signed 1:

WODARG Wolfgang, Germany, SOC
ABURTO BASELGA Fátima, Spain, SOC
AYVA Lokman, Turkey, EPP/CD
CONDE BAJÉN Agustín, Spain, EPP/CD
CZINEGE Imre, Hungary, SOC
FLYNN Paul, United Kingdom, SOC
GROZDANOVA Dzhema, Bulgaria, EPP/CD
HANCOCK Michael, United Kingdom, ALDE
HUSS Jean, Luxembourg, SOC
MARQUET Bernard, Monaco, ALDE
McCAFFERTY Christine, United Kingdom, SOC
OHLSSON Carina, Sweden, SOC
ÜNAL Mustafa, Turkey, EPP/CD
VOLONTE' Luca, Italy, EPP/CD

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1 EPP/CD: Group of the European People’s Party
SOC: Socialist Group
ALDE: Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
EDG: European Democratic Group
UEL: Group of the Unified European Left
NR: not registered in a group

The salient part of the above piece is this: "This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it," which directly contradicts the press release that you posted.

Also I can find no mention of this: "The Health Committee of the EU Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution calling for the inquiry," on the EU Parliament website.

F. William Engdahl and his cat have laid open the vaccine conspiracy laid by out the EU, and now the EU is clearly running an obfuscation campaign to suppress the actions of those concerned individuals who have presented a motion for a recommendation of an inquiry that might recommend an investigation into the potential consequences to Germany of the possibility that people who infer the wrongdoing from the public interactions between the WHO and the pharmaceutical companies without any other evidence might not be making something up. Immediately.

Oh, btw, for somebody who is so against the supposed NWO and the supposed socialist takeover of the worlds government, you seem to be oddly supportive of the seven socialist party members and not critical at all of their motivations, but I guess that's because they have an idea that somewhat supports yours.

5810Singer: I'm having trouble *not* seeing why they're not the same.. Are you adding too much emphasis to that one line then what's needed?

scalyblue wrote:F. William Engdahl and his cat have laid open the vaccine conspiracy laid by out the EU, and now the EU is clearly running an obfuscation campaign to suppress the actions of those concerned individuals who have presented a motion for a recommendation of an inquiry that might recommend an investigation into the potential consequences to Germany of the possibility that people who infer the wrongdoing from the public interactions between the WHO and the pharmaceutical companies without any other evidence might not be making something up. Immediately.

Or it's just one attempt of many that don't get the attention they deserve into brining some transparency to the groups in question.

You know, if you constantly strawman and spin each story into your own projection of how wrong this appears to you... You won't extract anything from the event, useful or not, without the biases that you view them through.

scalyblue wrote:Oh, btw, for somebody who is so against the supposed NWO and the supposed socialist takeover of the worlds government, you seem to be oddly supportive of the seven socialist party members and not critical at all of their motivations, but I guess that's because they have an idea that somewhat supports yours.

Political parties are conditioning agents and nothing more, and the NWO is more based in the corporations then parties (though it'll be bred from the [current] combination of the two).
Ye shall know them by their fruits, and if this investigation gets any movement we'll see how it turns out.

Niocan wrote: 5810Singer: I'm having trouble *not* seeing why they're not the same.. Are you adding too much emphasis to that one line then what's needed?

^^This from the man who doesn't speak the same English as the rest of us.

Niocan, that particular line is the one that makes it clear that no resolution was actually passed, and that no action has been agreed or even proposed by the Council of Europe.
All that has happened is that a small group of council members have written a proposal which hasn't even been discussed in the assembly, let alone ratified by it.

Understand?

Next, the press release you posted contains this line: "The Health Committee of the EU Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution calling for the inquiry."

But there is no mention of this on the EU Parliament website,.....no mention whatsoever.

In fact strictly speaking there is no EUP Health Committee, what there is is this:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/comparl/e ... ult_en.htm

A proposal was made in February of 2009 for a specific public health committee to be formed, because ENVI (see link above) have responsibility spread over health, environmental, and consumer issues, and it is felt that they can't adequately deal with public health when their attention is divided in this way.

However the new committee has only been proposed, it hasn't been ratified or formed as yet.

So,...if the press release you posted is true, then how come the Council of Europe, and ENVI have no mention of the proposed investigation on either of their websites?

You keep using that word. I do not think that means what you think it means.

scalyblue wrote:
You keep using that word. I do not think that means what you think it means.

The caption of Niocan's life

BUMP!

Niocan wrote: 5810Singer: I'm having trouble *not* seeing why they're not the same.. Are you adding too much emphasis to that one line then what's needed?

^^This from the man who doesn't speak the same English as the rest of us.

Niocan, that particular line is the one that makes it clear that no resolution was actually passed, and that no action has been agreed or even proposed by the Council of Europe.
All that has happened is that a small group of council members have written a proposal which hasn't even been discussed in the assembly, let alone ratified by it.

Understand?

Next, the press release you posted contains this line: "The Health Committee of the EU Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution calling for the inquiry."

But there is no mention of this on the EU Parliament website,.....no mention whatsoever.

In fact strictly speaking there is no EUP Health Committee, what there is is this:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/comparl/e ... ult_en.htm

A proposal was made in February of 2009 for a specific public health committee to be formed, because ENVI (see link above) have responsibility spread over health, environmental, and consumer issues, and it is felt that they can't adequately deal with public health when their attention is divided in this way.

However the new committee has only been proposed, it hasn't been ratified or formed as yet.

So,...if the press release you posted is true, then how come the Council of Europe, and ENVI have no mention of the proposed investigation on either of their websites?

5810Singer wrote:So,...if the press release you posted is true, then how come the Council of Europe, and ENVI have no mention of the proposed investigation on either of their websites?

Because it's a conspira-- err.. political matter!!!

All I am going to say is,

Your Welcome.

I got my jab. Scandle or not scandle, My immune system is better off having had a test run with the dead or dulled version in the syringe.

Plus Norway bought the vaccines with an agreement they had ages before the pandemic to get first priority. Socialism ftw.

The automotive industry thanks you Niocan for paying the extra money to crash test your vehicle chassis. The airline industry also welcomes the extra money you pay for a ticket to run prognostics on your plane.

The question you should all ask yourselves would be: Would I have gotten sick or died if I didn't take this magic shot?

Looking at not the infection but the deaths from it I very highly doubt it, so what's its purpose then? Is it just a lot of money being bailed out in its own unique way to the pharmaceutical companies? Do you think they'd like more money in the future? What exactly was in that shot?

Greetings,

Niocan wrote:The question you should all ask yourselves would be: Would I have gotten sick or died if I didn't take this magic shot?

Looking at not the infection but the deaths from it I very highly doubt it, so what's its purpose then? Is it just a lot of money being bailed out in its own unique way to the pharmaceutical companies? Do you think they'd like more money in the future? What exactly was in that shot?

With all due respect, Niocan, one could say the exact same thing about colloidal silver.

Kindest regards,

James

In a way, yes it could; Although making CS costs me only the price of distilled water and some batteries every few months or so. I educate others to make their own if they wish, and there's no profit motive being used.

Let me ask you, if I didn't choose the above way to spread what I know and instead choose to scare people into accepting my product... Would you think that's wrong? I would.

Niocan wrote:In a way, yes it could; Although making CS costs me only the price of distilled water and some batteries every few months or so. I educate others to make their own if they wish, and there's no profit motive being used.

Let me ask you, if I didn't choose the above way to spread what I know and instead choose to scare people into accepting my product... Would you think that's wrong? I would.

In other news: nebulous, conspiratorial questions a statement do not make.