A soldier waterboarded his four-year-old daughter because she was unable to recite her alphabet.

Joshua Tabor admitted to police he had used the CIA torture technique because he was so angry.

As his daughter 'squirmed' to get away, Tabor said he submerged her face three or four times until the water was lapping around her forehead and jawline.

Tabor, 27, who had won custody of his daughter only four weeks earlier, admitted choosing the punishment because the girl was terrified of water.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249191/Soldier-father-accused-waterboarding-daughter-4-recite-alphabet.html

Aught3 wrote:

A soldier waterboarded his four-year-old daughter because she was unable to recite her alphabet.

Joshua Tabor admitted to police he had used the CIA torture technique because he was so angry.

As his daughter 'squirmed' to get away, Tabor said he submerged her face three or four times until the water was lapping around her forehead and jawline.

Tabor, 27, who had won custody of his daughter only four weeks earlier, admitted choosing the punishment because the girl was terrified of water.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249191/Soldier-father-accused-waterboarding-daughter-4-recite-alphabet.html

what. the. fuck.

that is beyond my capacity to understand. how does a seriously messed up guy like that get custody of a child?

Tabor, a soldier at the Lewis-McChord base in Tacoma, Washington, was arrested after being seen walking around his neighbourhood wearing a Kevlar military helmet and threatening to break windows.

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Police have not revealed Tabor's military service, but his base is home to units that have served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0eyqHudJj

The first of what I fear will be many PTSD stories to come.

It makes me wish there really was a hell where people like those who lied us into the war in Iraq could be sent to account for their crimes. God grant us the wisdom of the British who are at least questioning their former wartime leader.

People like this remain the best argument for the use of capital punishment.

xman wrote:Yeah, and maybe we could waterboard them too. How about chopping off hands while we're at it? Get your head out of your ass, please.

Great counter-argument. You sure showed me.

xman wrote:maybe we could waterboard them too.

On an actually serious note, I think this is perfectly appropriate. How better to make the punishment fit the crime?

WRT54G wrote:

xman wrote:maybe we could waterboard them too.

On an actually serious note, I think this is perfectly appropriate. How better to make the punishment fit the crime?

you have got to be joking me.

freedom is something that can be sacrificed through actions but basic humanity, not so much.

what gives you the moral superiority to commit acts you clearly think are evil?

On a slightly off topic note, I posted this same bit of news on a different forum and got nothing but angry replies about how I was trying to smear the soldier by calling what he did "waterboarding" and that I wouldn't have reported this if it were regular ol' child abuse. Sure, what he did wasn't technically waterboarding but he was inflicting torture and so what if this story is international news only because of the method of torture?

WRT54G wrote:Great counter-argument. You sure showed me.

On an actually serious note, I think this is perfectly appropriate. How better to make the punishment fit the crime?

My bad, go think yourself however you like. I'm too furious to engage respectfully which is why I asked that that post be deleted.

obsidianavenger wrote:what. the. fuck.

My sentiments, exactly. I'm afraid to read more...

Brings us around to The Fundamental Theorem of Life(tm):

Idiots Shouldn't Breed

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Yeah, this guy should probably get checked out. Be somewhere far away from small children.

She´s Four years old....i don´t know how the school system works in America, but in Denmark we don´t put our children in school before the age of 6, though in some cases some children are put into school either at the age of 5 or 7.

But anyways 4 year old she should even be thinking about the alphabet at that age, much less having to be forced to know it enough to recite it completely.

Anyways i would say take the child away from him and place her at her mother.

And then put the guy in jail.

Grimlock wrote:She´s Four years old....i don´t know how the school system works in America, but in Denmark we don´t put our children in school before the age of 6, though in some cases some children are put into school either at the age of 5 or 7.

But anyways 4 year old she should even be thinking about the alphabet at that age, much less having to be forced to know it enough to recite it completely.

Anyways i would say take the child away from him and place her at her mother.

And then put the guy in jail.

Children in the US generally enter school at 5. My 3 year old sister knows the alphabet almost in its entirety (she messes up a few letters sometimes).

It strikes me from some of the reactions here that some people seem to have glossed over the GI's general state of mental health.

It seems to me that the guy is obviously unbalanced, and I think DeistPaladin hit the nail on the head when he mentioned PTSD.

This is a very disturbing incident already, let's not distort the facts and issues and make it seem even worse.

We in America apparently didn't learn out lessons in Vietnam but the kinds of people who got us into Vietnam did.

They learned if you have a draft, people will eventually lost patience and vote you out. So instead, they used a all-volunteer force and put them through too many rotations, placing greater stress on fewer soldiers. As a result, the PTSD cases will be more frequent and worse.

Brace yourselves, we're going to be cleaning up Bush's mess for the next 20 years, what we can clean up at all.

My apologies to the rest of the world that got dragged into this.

DeistPaladin wrote:We in America apparently didn't learn out lessons in Vietnam but the kinds of people who got us into Vietnam did.

They learned if you have a draft, people will eventually lost patience and vote you out. So instead, they used a all-volunteer force and put them through too many rotations, placing greater stress on fewer soldiers. As a result, the PTSD cases will be more frequent and worse.

Brace yourselves, we're going to be cleaning up Bush's mess for the next 20 years, what we can clean up at all.

My apologies to the rest of the world that got dragged into this.

Us Brits have been quite able to get ourselves into similar trouble without the US's help DP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

I knew some men who'd served in Malaya when I was younger, and they came back from Malaya in the same state as the Vietnam Vets.
I remember more recently that media pundits have asked "will Afghanistan become Britain's Vietnam?"
In reality Vietnam was the USA's Malaya.

But to get back to the underlying point,....war is hell....it's a cliche but it's true.....and some soldiers come back from war/hell with their minds in tatters, and they need our help and sympathy.

DeistPaladin wrote:Brace yourselves, we're going to be cleaning up Bush's mess for the next 20 years, what we can clean up at all.
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You can add 50 years to that if Palin somehow manages to become president.
Worst part is it will properly not just be America that will get the job of cleaning up Palins mess.

5810Singer wrote:It strikes me from some of the reactions here that some people seem to have glossed over the GI's general state of mental health.

It seems to me that the guy is obviously unbalanced, and I think DeistPaladin hit the nail on the head when he mentioned PTSD.

This is a very disturbing incident already, let's not distort the facts and issues and make it seem even worse.

I blame the government in general. A rose by any other name would not smell as sweet, and waterboarding when it is not torture doesn't have quite the same legal punch.